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Is mod rewrite really needed these days?



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quinda
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Is mod rewrite really needed these days?  Reply with quote  

Can search engines spider dynamic URLs now, or do you still need to use mod-rewrite?

I ask because I was going to try using some CMS software, but they don't have a mod-rewrite hack, and I am not confident for setting up the rules myself just yet.

Would it be better to look for some other software?
Post Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:05 pm
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I would say that it is not needed, because all the search engines that I consider will spider such links, if they aren't too complex.

But, if you have a ton of cgi pages, they might limit how much they spider. The reason is that it is not too complex to write a php script that will generate an infinite number of uninteresting pages, so the engines don't want to waste space on those. Of course, they may also use duplicate checking to reduce this, but the ideal is a webpage that looks like a static HTML file, IMHO...
Post Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:29 pm
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quinda
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Thanks!

I am aiming for a very large site with news, tutorials, etc that will be updated daily by myself and my fellow students - either using a CMS or a Wiki. It sounds like it might be best to get something that can easily work with mod_rewrite just in case.

Do any of the free wiki solutions modify easily do you know?
Post Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:35 pm
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When you talk of using mod_rewrite, are you talking about the complicated scripts, or just telling Apache to process the file 'store' for example as php, rather than having to call it 'store.php'.

For instance, this page: http://www.housebuyingguide.co.uk/buying/mortgages.html is a dynamic URL. There is no folder called 'buying', it is actually a PHP script that extracts the word 'mortgages' from the URL, and gets that text from the database.

I would still use this whether SEs index dynamic URLs or not (though as has been said, they all do it fine now) - it just looks neater than buying.php?mortgages.


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Post Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:40 pm
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Andrew
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Chris has a good point, it's nicer for the user.

Easier to read, remember, type, etc.
Post Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:49 pm
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Mod_rewrites were a pain in the neck for me to set up, there is not way I'm getting rid of my mod_rewrites :)


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Post Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:16 pm
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I think it a great thing to have, definately.


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Andrew
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The opportunity to add keywords to URLs is a nice benefit too.
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The opportunity to add keywords to URLs is a nice benefit too.


Definately, and if for no other reason then this you should use it.


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Post Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:22 am
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It helps, I have the thread title in the URL for my forum.


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Post Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:38 am
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i have a mod rewrite for my site to make nicer urls

but i notice that my PR doesnt follow down the line when ? and & are involved in the url

these things can be killer and having a PR on every (or a good few) pages can be critical


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leye
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The syntax looks OK, but won't work in .htaccess. It should work in httpd.conf, though.

You should add an [L] flag to the end of the rewriteRule, unless you know you need to continue with more rewrites on that URL.

By the time Apache gets to .htaccess, the query string is stripped, and is available for testing or backreference creation only to rewriteCond, or for direct-substitution into the target URL as %{QUERY_STRING}.

If you are using mod_rewrite in .htaccess, LMK if you need more details.


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Post Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:27 pm
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I seem to be having problems with my forum, and at least getting the PR to pass - which I use as an indicator of if they are being indexed properly.
http://www.generatorfacts.com/forum/
Any ideas ?
TIA


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Post Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:41 pm
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Check out what Matt Cutts said today on the subject  Reply with quote  

If you are interested Matt Cutts of Google made a number of videocasts over the last few days and one of the subjects was spiderable URLs.

He said that it all depended on how many variables you are passing in the query. Up to 3 or 4 was fine. Any more would cause problems.

He also said that you should avoid passing anything that resembels session ids as GoogleBot gets confused, so no long strings in the query.

My view is that apart from piderability it is also very useful for your visiotrs to have a readable URL which they are more likely to remember/recognise.


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for more info see what Google says about dynamic links here: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=34431

The essential is that:
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Yes, Google indexes dynamically generated webpages, including .asp pages, .php pages, and pages with question marks in their URLs. However, these pages can cause problems for our crawler and may be ignored. If you're concerned that your dynamically generated pages are being ignored, you may want to consider creating static copies of these pages for our crawler



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